{"id":18122,"date":"2016-04-26T15:26:22","date_gmt":"2016-04-26T03:26:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/philcook.net\/beerdiary\/?p=18122"},"modified":"2026-02-07T11:16:52","modified_gmt":"2026-02-06T22:16:52","slug":"beer-diary-podcast-s05e02","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/philcook.net\/beerdiary\/2016\/04\/26\/beer-diary-podcast-s05e02\/","title":{"rendered":"Beer Diary Podcast lost episode (s05e02) \u2014 Dave Wood &#038; Denise Garland"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In September 2015, we sat down for a few beers &#8216;on the record&#8217; with our friends <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DaveTheBeerGuy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dave\u00a0Wood<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DemiseG\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Denise Garland<\/a>. Dave is the general manager of Wellington beer bar <a href=\"http:\/\/hashigozake.co.nz\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Hashigo Zake<\/a>\u00a0as well as the\u00a0current President of SOBA (the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.soba.org.nz\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Society of Beer Advocates<\/a>) and Denise is a journalist \u2014 and both have long been key members\u00a0of the beer community. The episode was nearly lost (a few others were) but we belatedly present it here. They\u00a0talked about the rapid evolution of the local scene, their introductions to it and their &#8216;epiphany&#8217; beers, the simple pleasures of everday beers in their right place, and the joys of making your own homebrew. We also discuss the bar business, SOBA festivals, women-in-beer groups like Beerded Ladies\u00a0and Pink Boots, lament the general lack of brown ales and have a few dated-but-foreboding words to say about company takeovers \u2014 Dave idly ponders a Ballast Point buyout that was just a few weeks in the future.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: medium;\" title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"https:\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/4321230\/height\/128\/theme\/modern\/size\/standard\/thumbnail\/no\/custom-color\/24890d\/time-start\/00:00:00\/playlist-height\/200\/direction\/backward\/download\/yes\/font-color\/FFFFFF\" width=\"100%\" height=\"128\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">As always, <a href=\"http:\/\/traffic.libsyn.com\/beerdiary\/BDP_s05e02.mp3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a direct download of this episode is available<\/a>, should that better-suit your listening habits. <a href=\"http:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/nz\/podcast\/the-beer-diary-podcast\/id438440794\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">We\u2019re on iTunes<\/a> and there\u2019s also <a href=\"http:\/\/beerdiary.libsyn.com\/rss\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">a podcast-specific RSS feed<\/a> you can follow through\u00a0whatever app or gadget you listen to these things with. For handy reference, you can direct people to <a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.beerdiary.nz\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">podcast.beerdiary.nz<\/a>, and you should feel free to contact us \u2014 via this very page, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/beerdiarypod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">the podcast\u2019s Twitter account<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/thebeerdiary\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">on Facebook<\/a> \u2014 with any feedback, corrections, suggestions, or whatnot. Cheers!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h3><strong>\u2014 Show notes:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>(2.20)\u00a0<strong>Beer Of The Week #1: Townshend &#8216;Black Arrow&#8217;<\/strong>, brewed at Tuatara. The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Black_Arrow\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">eponymous rocket <em>wasn&#8217;t<\/em> a total failure<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/kerbalspaceprogram.com\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Kerbal Space Program<\/a> can teach you just how hard rocketry is. But it seems that we&#8217;re ironically speaking too soon, here: keg production of Townshend beers looks to&#8217;ve reverted entirely back to HQ, though I think bottles might still be being made at Tuatara.<\/li>\n<li>(3.40) SOBA, here, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.soba.org.nz\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">is the acronym<\/a>. We&#8217;ll get back to that.<\/li>\n<li>(15.00) If my point isn&#8217;t clear here, I owe you all a ramble about &#8220;wheat beer&#8221; \u2014\u00a0and how the beer business did customers a disservice by lumping things together (German Hefe, Belgian Wit) under that banner which are actually made similar by a different factor (i.e., yeast character, relative lack of bitterness). So now, with American Wheat Ales and Berliner Weisses on the market, we&#8217;ve sown more confusion than knowledge.<\/li>\n<li>(17.00) Here&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/philcook.net\/beerdiary\/2004\/12\/25\/duvel\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">my first encounter with Duvel<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>(29.00) I&#8217;m SOBA member #418, for the record. Way late to the party.<\/li>\n<li>(39.20)\u00a0<strong>Beer Of The Week #2: &#8216;Beetnik&#8217;<\/strong>, brewed in honour of the Queensland Rugby League team, of all things.<\/li>\n<li>(1.00.00)\u00a0<strong>Beer Of The Week #3: Garage Project &#8216;Golden Brown&#8217; (Original Recipe)<\/strong>, which was #9 of 24\/24. Which (naturally) causes us to lament the lack of brown ales in the world.<\/li>\n<li>(1.08.10) <strong>Recommendations: Ballast Point &#8216;Grunion&#8217;<\/strong>, says Dave;\u00a0<strong>ParrotDog &#8216;Dogg&#8217;<\/strong> and <strong>North End &#8216;Baby Grand&#8217;<\/strong>,\u00a0for\u00a0Denise (with apologies to Dylan <a href=\"https:\/\/thebottleneck.net\/2014\/12\/15\/the-bottlenecks-top-20-beers-you-must-try-to-put-on-your-bucket-list-before-you-die\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">for the overused &#8220;crisp&#8221; adjective<\/a>).\u00a0<strong>North End &#8216;Field Way&#8217; APA<\/strong>, says George; and for me it&#8217;s\u00a0<strong>Garage Project &#8216;Dirty Boots&#8217; <\/strong>or<strong> &#8216;Artful Dodger&#8217;<\/strong>, which had neat little lives after the events they were created for.<\/li>\n<li>(1.19.00)\u00a0Garage Project &#8216;GP Draught&#8217;\u00a0<em>was<\/em> entered into the beer awards, but sadly didn&#8217;t take the trophy \u2014 though it <em>did<\/em> get a silver medal.<\/li>\n<li>(1.20.00) The awards rule-change <a href=\"http:\/\/philcook.net\/beerdiary\/2015\/09\/16\/trophies-and-truth-telling\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">was covered here<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>(1.22.30) The livestream was a wonderful thing, <a href=\"https:\/\/webcast.gigtv.com.au\/Mediasite\/Play\/7aa825fe18d549b6a36d3491e35db5881d\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">and is archived online<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>(1.24.20) <em>This<\/em> is how outdated we are. Jason&#8217;s no longer even an 8 Wired employee. But both him and Andrew do seem to be recovering well \u2014 slowly, inevitably, but well.<\/li>\n<li>(1.25.40)\u00a0<strong>Takeovers<\/strong>. Again, we&#8217;re in the Old News department since this is a Lost Episode \u2014 the buyout\u00a0of Ballast Point was still a few weeks in the future as we were raving about Grunion, which has turned into an interesting test of principles for Hashigo (who dropped them) and Beer Without Borders (who didn&#8217;t).<\/li>\n<li>(1.32.20) Ladies and gentlemen: Dave Wood, depressed\u00a0psychic.<\/li>\n<li>(1.33.10)\u00a0Cue the\u00a0music:\u00a0<a title=\"'SPLIT!' EP by The Coconut Monkeyrocket &amp; Martinibomb\" href=\"http:\/\/www.comfortstand.com\/catalog\/016\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u2018Shopping for Explosives\u2019<\/a>, by\u00a0<a title=\"coconutmonkeyrocket.com\" href=\"http:\/\/www.coconutmonkeyrocket.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Coconut Monkeyrocket<\/a>. Audio editing done in\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/audacity.sourceforge.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Audacity<\/a>. Habitual thanks to both.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In September 2015, we sat down for a few beers &#8216;on the record&#8217; with our friends Dave\u00a0Wood and Denise Garland. Dave is the general manager of Wellington beer bar Hashigo Zake\u00a0as well as the\u00a0current President of SOBA (the Society of Beer Advocates) and Denise is a journalist \u2014 and both have long been key members\u00a0of &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/philcook.net\/beerdiary\/2016\/04\/26\/beer-diary-podcast-s05e02\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Beer Diary Podcast lost episode (s05e02) \u2014 Dave Wood &#038; Denise Garland<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[39],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18122","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-podcast-episodes"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":7467,"url":"https:\/\/philcook.net\/beerdiary\/2014\/09\/07\/beer-diary-podcast-s04e03\/","url_meta":{"origin":18122,"position":0},"title":"Beer Diary Podcast s04e03: Women &#038; Beer \u2014 part 1","author":"Phil","date":"September 7, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"For a Very Special episode, George and I relinquish the microphone entirely to four of our friends. 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